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Written by anderson1951
April 20, 2013 at 7:26 pm
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Andersons of Colonial N. Carolina
Marc, I have spent an enormous amount of time on the Meherrin maps and the land descriptions of the settlements shown in the Northampton Co. 1715-1765. My earliest conclustion was incorrect. That was that Thomas Browns patent, John Rogers patent and Joseph Dardin’s patent were located and the juncture of the Hil’s Ferry Rd (Hwy 258) and the Meherrin river. Or at the Ferry site.
My fial conclusion is that ths is not correct. These adjoining properties should be found within 1 – 11/2 miles fo Como, N.C. ln Hwy 258. This 1919 USGS topo map barely has this pictureed but you will find this in the bottom right portion. I am not a Deed Mapper s this is the best that can do.
While it would be nice to know the exact point, this serves my purposes just fine.
Rogers Smith
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Benjamin Rogers Smith
November 4, 2013 at 8:07 am
Rogers
Once you get below the Virginia boundary line then you have to begin guessing… all the Virginia patents that I have drawn can be found at the Library of Virginia (online)… there simply is NO such source for the N Carolina patents.
Also the USGS historical maps for NC are not all available…. the best I have found to date is the 1863 Civil War map for this area of NC (but even the Civil War map is not “correct” by modern standards).
We can get pretty close though… I had Traci the librarian (a genealogist/local historian) try to obtain some actual patents of the area from the NC Archives and they are not extant… a shame, but that is what we have to deal with.
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anderson1951
November 5, 2013 at 4:31 am
well, I am very interested in the Thomas Boon, 240 ac.,1724 straddling the Virginia/NorthCarolina line in Southampton County north of Severn in N. C. What can you tell me about this land. Would the Byrd resurvey of the State Line have moved this No. Carolina part and the part in Southampton. Would the part in North Carolina have evolved thru the county changes? Chowan, Bertie, Northampton? Where would I go to find more info on this land? Thank you for your work. Leta M.Franklin
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Leta M. Franklin
February 7, 2014 at 3:29 pm
I would look here for hard survey facts…
http://docsouth.unc.edu/csr/
enter “william byrd” as the search term… several detailed accounts will show up…
The Boon, Anderson and Pitman patents I show are directly from the Virginia records available online at the Library of Virginia website.
In my opinion as early as say, 1700, Lawson (the one mudered by the Tuscarora in 1711) who was a surveyor for NC knew almost exactly where the boundary line was… there are records which say as much for anyone interested. The 3 patents I mention each referenced the “country line” as they styled it… so it was no mystery where the line should have been.
The red line I show is pretty much to scale and I used Byrd’s own measurements for my map… within reason it is accurate. I would actually have to consider that the Meherrin River may have moved since the 1720s… and possibly some swamps dried up. I am utterly amazed at the work of these early surveyors.
An excellent free topographic map source is here…
http://www.topoquest.com
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anderson1951
February 7, 2014 at 4:31 pm
Thank you. I claim the Thomas Boon of the patent. In my work I followed the land I could identify of this Thomas Boon being given to his male heirs. I used the “north of the Meherrin River” phrase in each deed and the neighbors names to nail this land to the Boon heirs deeds (showing that the surnames around the Boon land stayed pretty much the same). Most of the Boon deeds I use are later in the 1770s. My work is on the Cross County Historical Society’s website under “Records” . I am happy to see your work on line, but I wonder if you could give me a hint on how to use the maps. I look at the Thomas Boon Patent 1724 and wonder if when the state line was moved did Thomas Boon lose his N. C. land?
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Leta M. Boone Franklin
February 12, 2014 at 8:26 am
He would not lose the land… it would be the matter of which state received the quit rents. Prior to 1728 when Byrd did the “official” survey the land was in dispute between VA and NC. If you have found any deeds from the period I would guess that if they are from NC then that is where the quit rents were paid and where the land was claimed. Since the 1724 patent was granted by Virginia then I don’t see any way Boon could have avoided having that patent classified as any but Virginia. All of the other Boon lands that I have seen abstracts for were granted by North Carolina. Since the Meherrin River dips below the State Boundary line then some of those could also be “north” of the Meherrin. (If I am understanding your question correctly?)
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anderson1951
February 12, 2014 at 9:55 am
I thought there were two Thomas Boons of the era. There is a Thomas Boon south of the Meherrin on deeds and “Thomas Boon North of the Meherrin on deeds. With this redrawing of the state line, could it be that this is the same man? I studied the Civil War Map for the Boone’s of Northampton County that are not my relatives and just as I thought, they are numerous and south and west of Jackson, n. C. on the Civil war map. My Boons were on the Va. / N. C. state line and in Hertford, Northampton n. C. and on the state line of Virginia and N. C. Am I being too hopeful?
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Leta M. Boone Franklin
February 12, 2014 at 10:15 am
I read some of your research and questions about the Boone Family. Boy, you have done ALOT of research. I am related to Harriet Winnifred Boone who married a Thomas Crowder Parker of Northampton, N.C. Their son was Wallace Parker who married Mary Thorpe of Southampton, Va. They are my maternal grandparents.
I am interested in the Boones, Lassiters, possibly Winbournes and how all these families are intertwined.
Marijane
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Marijane Presar
September 26, 2014 at 1:33 pm
I don’t know of any source to determine the relationship of the early Boons. It is just guesswork on my part that some were even brothers. I think common sense seems to dictate that but it is nothing to base a genealogy on. It is only recently that I ran across the reference to a Thomas Boon having property in NC in 1668… that utterly amazes me. As to two Thomas Boons around the Meherrin River say, 1728 or so, I count at least 3… maybe more? Father and son… brothers???… I can’t even make an educated guess with the meager information we have.
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anderson1951
February 12, 2014 at 12:27 pm
Conversely I feel excited. Because I am the one that concluded there must be two Thomas Boons, one on each side of the Meherrin. Then when I saw the Patent Map on your Meherrin River Map it occurred to me that Thomas Boon;s patent was cut into by the redrawing of the state line. I had never seen this patent map. The answer is clear to me. Now, all the Boons on that locale are to me his relations. Yes, there are several. But, one tax account in Bertie records of this time shows several Boons in Bertie with taxes due, but in the same group is a Thomas Boon with the notation in parenthsis (a Virginian). This isThomas Boon with the patent in Va. The south and west Boones of Northampton County have the same Christian names, William. Nicholas, Thomas, Nathan. But, they are not on the state line and never were. They are way South. And then there are the aligned families for both groups. I know them by heart. These intermarry, sign each others deeds, wills. Each group has a definite aligned and identifiable surname. No crossovers. The south and western Boones aligned group are also in the west and south. My Boon;s group is on the line, in Southampton, and Hertfort and Northampton counties in N. C.
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Leta M. Boone Franklin
February 12, 2014 at 1:09 pm
I am pretty much perplexed by it all. Too many unanswered questions…
Who was the 1668 Thomas?
Was the Isle of Wight Thomas from NC or was he a new immigrant?
Was the 1724 Virginia patent related to the Boons who were already established in NC?
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anderson1951
February 12, 2014 at 2:55 pm
I just typed a response to your email and it was not accepted.
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Leta M. Boone Franklin
February 12, 2014 at 4:23 pm
You should be good to post… not sure what happened?…
Can you post a link to Cross County Historical Society where you have the body of your research… it sounds interesting.
I’m not sure what you mean by the “redrawing” of the boundary line? It is my understanding that prior to 1728 the argument of Virginia was that the boundary line was about 20 miles to the south of where it is now. The N Carolinians supposed it to be where it is now… the argument was only settled in 1728.
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anderson1951
February 12, 2014 at 4:54 pm
Didn’t Wm. Byrd do a resurvey, wasn’t the line moved? Bring me up to date. I don’t want to be misleading people. I use Bing. I typed in the search bar….Boons/Boones of Virginia, North Carolina and Arkansas and the PDF comes up. This was a beginning effort for me and I plan to redo the PDF with more info.
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Leta M. Boone Franklin
February 12, 2014 at 6:01 pm
There wasn’t an official boundary prior to Byrd in 1728. Each colony claimed the disputed area. A commission between the two colonies was formed and they trekked across the swamps and surveyed the line which finally settled the argument. So I don’t see an issue with Thomas Boon’s patent in 1724… in other words it was just “chance” that it wound up in Virginia. I would like to see any later deeds of that property which may show his signature because we know that the “Virginia” Thomas signed with a “T” with a small “B” on the stem. I suspect it is the same man. But even if we establish that it does not answer the question of whether he originated in Virginia or North Carolina?
I suppose what I am saying is that we have a lot of circumstantial data that does not answer the critical questions of where any of the early Boons came from and how they were related? While later deeds of the late 1700s establishes “some” families, the early guys of the late 1600s and early 1700s are unresolved.
My interest is in digging up some new dirt on the early guys. I’m interested in getting some of the early Chowan deeds (1720ish) and perhaps do a better job on mapping some early patents.
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anderson1951
February 12, 2014 at 6:56 pm
Well, I have put out a couple of feelers regarding the early Chowan Deeds. Amazon has a book by Margaret Hoffman and I will order that and just give it to the Fayetteville, Ark. Genealogy Library when I am finished with it. Also, I have asked a woman in Hertford county if she knows of a researcher that will look up and copy deeds from Chowan.
Regarding the Thomas Boon that signs with a T and B, I have one reference to that signature in my info on line. It is a Thomas Boon of a later time giving 50 ac. to his daughter Elizabeth Boon Jackson. I found this piece of paper on a microfilm of Southampton County Deeds . When I put the film on the spindle and began to crank, there was this sheet. Not in the B’s at all. It was lucky I found the piece. Usually I just crank like mad until I think I have reached the B’s. It was easy later to link her to Geo. Jackson, Sr. then son Jr. and then Jr. widow and children. Then Nicholas Boon of Hertford became the orphans (three girls ) guardian. Later there is a Guardian Account listing all the uninspired food the girls ate. Yuk
As I remember this T and B was in a later time. But then wouldn’t it be easy for a son of the original Tand B signer to copy the old fellows signature as his own? Or was this not done?
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Leta M. Boone Franklin
February 13, 2014 at 12:26 pm
Ancestry.com.wiki.North Carolina Land Records
Just looked at this and it seems to say there are land records, patents available to see. Am I wrong?
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Leta M. Boone Franklin
February 13, 2014 at 1:32 pm
I’m not familiar with any Ancestry.com Chowan records??
At the end of this Page is a map I did of some of the abstracts for several Boons in Eastern NC… most are from the 1720s… since these are merely abstracts I had to guess mostly.
https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/mathew-strickland-thomas-boon-iow/
I think there are 2 generations shown in the deeds… also the older generation is illiterate and the newer sons could write their names… it just seems to me there is more information that can be gleaned from the full deed records.
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anderson1951
February 13, 2014 at 2:38 pm
This jumping from Thomas Boon patent on the Meherrin in 1724 (which I feel relaxed with) to Matt Strickland patent in 1678 is not how I work. I must do research around 1720 or so in Bertie and Chowan. I do not and never have felt akin to Thomas and Ratcliff Boon. Ratcliff is not a name among my Boons. Also the James Boon in early Bertie associated with Benj. Wynns family I do not claim. I don’t know what Boon group claims these two. I believe Ann Jobe something does claim him and almost all other lines too. Same with Holli Kees neither of them have a definite Boon line to claim, no DNA TESTS to show either. Usually early in their research there is a disclaimer that they have no proof of connection to the line. I would rather take a year to find a document than have to back away from a claim.
One document in late Southampton County, Va. is a Marriage Registry dated Feb. 10, 1796 page 106 in the Brantley Papers. It shows John Strickland wed to Charlotte Campbell. Security and witnesses: Allen Boon (my 3rd greatgrandfather) as security, witnesses: Ben Blunt, Winny Cook, William Jackson and Batt Boon another of my line. He and Allen Boon are first cousins. I know the Strickland connections was long before. But here is my relation as security for one of the participants, either Strickland or Campbell.
I brought up the ancestry.com.wiki mention because this page seems to say there are North Carolina Patents available. I’m not getting into your speciality because I am devoid of patent knowledge. I have a page of other links from a Hertfort County specialist for North Carolina Patents but I can’t manage to forward it for some reason. Since I have not had to say it’s hopeless, I am clueless. L
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Leta M. Boone Franklin
February 13, 2014 at 3:32 pm
Its Sat. I have entered http://www.rootsweb.North Carolina Land Patents into Bing Search and four worthwhile boxes came up. (I use Bing because I have Windows 8.1 Microsoft and Bing is their search) All say there is patents at the archives. All recommend the books on No. Car. Patents by Margaret Hoffman. Perhaps these No. Car. patents do not have a Map? Seems to have in an example neighbors, water courses, etc. I hope this is helpful. Know you are the experienced person here. I intend to find the Hoffman Books and email N. C. Archives and Archives at Wilson Library @ UNC at Chapel Hill. L
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Leta M. Boone Franklin
February 15, 2014 at 1:12 pm
Most of the Hoffman abstracts can be found online at various sites. I am interested in seeing the original deeds to compare the signatures. The NC Archives website has an online image of the 1728 will of Joseph Boon… unfortunately it will not display (must be a glitch in the program?). A Thomas Boon witnessed the will and supposedly his signature is the “T” with the “B” on the stem. I am curious if it appears to be the same as the Thomas Boon signature from the Isle of Wight deed of 1705 which I have an image on one of my Pages (Strickland/ Boon).
This site has an abstract of the Joseph Boon will…
http://www.sadiesparks.com/canderson.htm
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anderson1951
February 17, 2014 at 12:58 pm
A short hello and input. I spent 3 hours yesterday looking for Pitch Landing and the farms around John Boon;s farm in 1816. They are no where near each other really, but there was a “road to Pitch Landing” near him in deeds. His farm is north in Northampton near Boons Bridge on the Civil War Map ,near the Meherrin. This is to show my Boon line is north and east in Northampton. Below where the Boons are in Southampton and just West of my Boon line in Hertford I write about. In this patch of land would be where the William Boon Patent of 1723 could be. I need to present a case concerning the Joseph Boon of will of 1728 in Northampton.. He mentions straight off his land near Ochonecky Neck at Roanoke. Using the 1863 Civil War Map on your Blog site, In 1863 it was Okoneechee Swamp but you could pronounce both O Ko Necky and there is a large swamp by that name on THE FAR WESTERN SIDE OF NORTHAMPTON, no where near the Meherrin River, Hertford County or lateday Severn. And the Roanoke River is also over there dividing Northampton County from the next county. the Swamp is near Bridger’s Ferry on the Roanoke on the Civil War Map. And within a few miles are three mentions of Boons. The Roanoke makes an arc eastward under the south of Northampton and then into Ablemarle Sound. No where near the top of Northampton and against Southampton. But when this was all Chowan and Bertie Counties wouldn’t this far western land near the Roanoke be included as Northampton. My point concerning this one Joseph Boon will of 1728 I say this is not my line which was always around the Meherrin and the North extreme of Bertie Chowan and Northampton and Hertford Counties. I hope I am clear if not I am here for questioning L.
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Leta M. Boone Franklin
February 17, 2014 at 2:15 pm
Hello. Well, I have been digging and am more confused and dim than before. I am a descendant of the Boons in S.hampton and N.hampton near the Meherrin River near Severn and Boons Bridge in NC. I have emailed back and forth with you before. There are two Boon groups. Our DNAs do not match. The Boon Group in Hertford from earliest times to 1840s are claimable by me. They came down from S.hampton in early 1700s. I also claim Thomas, William and John on the South side of the Meherrin River and Boon’s Bridge in 1790s.
I am having trouble with the other group who generally ended up in Western N. Hampton, Edgecome and Johnson County, NC. They are aligned with Turners, Winbornes, Bridgers, Lassiters, etc. District 9 of No.Hampton Cty. One problem is the phrase “South of the Meherrin Ri” That covers a lot of the No.Hampton/S.Hampton County Lines. Most people think this phrase is just north of Severn near Boons Bridge. However, west of that area the Meherrin R. dips out of Virginina into Northampton County, NO. Carolina for miles and would have lots of land “South of the Meherrin River”
Then too, on the extensive route of the Meherrin River that is the border between N.Hampton and Hertford Counties, No. Carolina there is a hundred curlicues and half loops that one could ” be South Of on the Meherrin River.”
These other Boons are easily identified in Western Northampton County,N. C. after 1734. Their land descriptions include Roanoke River, Morotoke River, Boons Crossroads, Bridgers Crossroad and other geographical labels.
I know the Eastern early Boons are definitely in Eastern IOW and Earliest No. Car. counties that morph into Northampton. I started this because I found the 1715 Map of Southampton and Northampton (NC) Counties on your site. Is there a name for this map. And is it on another site??
Leta Myles Franklin
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Leta Myles Boone
May 18, 2014 at 2:54 pm
Yes, I received your email. Marijane Presar. Please email me and we will discuss your Boons.
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Leta Myles Boone
September 27, 2014 at 5:49 pm
The NC land grant maps are here–which you probably knew. NC Secretary of State told me that many people had stolen them when viewing. Since then they were filmed and available digitally. http://www.nclandgrants.com/
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Mrs Stoddard
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