Andersons of Colonial N. Carolina

so I start this site in Virginia… go figure

John Browne (the Indian Trader)… and his wayward granddaughter

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I’m like a little kid when I find a “proof”… I’m rushing this map… I “should” wait until I develop it some more.

To hell with that.

The facts speak for themselves…   click several times to enlarge…

John Browneprop

Here is the background…

https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/john-browne-of-kingsale-1639-1713-indian-trader/

This is why I am strutting around like a rooster… the hunches, the theory, and the facts align just like ….  well…. a map!


This was my conundrum… grabbed from the link above…

Other researchers have attempted to tie John Joyner, son of Bridgeman Joyner, to a 2nd marriage to one Eizabeth Brown. I suggest that if there is a connection of an Elizabeth Brown it may have been a daughter, or more likely a granddaughter, of John Browne.  This John Browne relocates to North Carolina about 1700 near Wiccacon Creek, along with Richard Booth and Booth’s nephew Thomas Mann, Jr.

This account by Boddie gets my attention… well actually it just confuses the hell out of me… Boddie made a lot of helpful notes but DAMN! sometimes he was just WRONG!

Historical Southern Families Vol. 1

Pg. 23 John Brown died in Surry Co. 1714, wife Eliza Brown 6-6-1714 left 1 son and 4 daughters as follows:    (Not the Browne I chronicle)

1. Sylvester Brantley Bertie Co. NC  (is this a typo?… is this a step-son?… is this a female?)

2 Hester Brantley, the will of Hester probated in 1727 in Surry Co. VA mentioned her daughters Priscilla and Elizabeth and her 2 sisters Eliza Joyner and Grace Warren. Appoints James Wilson and James Piland executors.

3 Eliza married to Nehemiah Joyner   (is this an Elizabeth Brown different from the one I am researching?… if so this can get VERY confusing!))

4 Grace married John Warren of Bertie Co. NC

5 Susannah Brown

There is a missing link here… I’m wondering if it may be a son John Jr that left this will in Surry County?   (Nope)

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That account has caused speculation of a JOYNER connection to these deeds in North Carolina in 1727(this is where I begin to differ with Boddie)

Mary Best Bell, Colonial Bertie County, NC, DB A-H, 1720-1757

Bell, C 167(160)  Susanah Brown, John Warren & wife Grace, Sylvester Brown and ____ to Elizabeth Joyner

Feb. 12, 1727/28. *. 256 A. “…love… for our sister Elizabeth Joyner…” Land formerly belonging to our father, John Brown dec’d.  Patent July 28, 1713.  On WS Chowan adj. J. Curlee, J. Smith.  Wit: Fincher Hayne, Charles Brown.  Court  *.  Thomas Crew D. C/C.

(I note that this does not state that their father died in 1713… it merely says the patent is dated 1713)

C 171  Susanna Brown & Sylvester Brown to William Evans  Nov 22, 1729.  5 pds  for 100 A.  On Horse swamp.  Adj. John Thomas, Lazarus Thomas.  Wit: Richard Williford, Mary Luden (Laden?).  Feb Court 1729.  Thomas Crew D. C/C.

and again in 1741…

F 344  Soloman Joyner of Edgecombe Co., & John Joyner & wife Elizabeth of Isle of Wight Co, Va. to Joseph Witherington of Surry Co, Va. Feb 7, 1741. 25 pds, for 256 A.  A Patent granted John Brown for 256 A. July 28, 1713 on “Bank of the River” adj. James Curlee, John Smyth  Wit: James Washington, Henry Crafford, Morning Crafford, John Sherard, William Plyant, John Fort (FOORT).  May Court 1742.  Thomas Crew C/C.

So the Elizabeth Joyner who received the Brown property by gift in 1727 was the wife of John Joyner… (of Isle of Wight in 1741)

all of which relates to this patent…

Margaret Hoffman, PROVINCE OF NORTH CAROLINA ABSTRACTS OF LAND PATENTS 1663-1729

3313  pg. 285  John Brown  date (not given)  256 acres on the W. side of Chowan River, joining the bank of ye river, James Courlee, and John Smith  Witnesses: (not given)

The half dozen patents before and after that one are in the date range of 1713-1716… so logic dictates that the date of July 28, 1713 is probably correct and was referenced in the later deeds… my problem with this is a “death” reference for “a” John Brown in 1713 (Hathawy).

” John Browne dead.  April 7, 1713.”, p. 34, Vol. 1, The North Carolina historical and genealogical register. If this is the same guy then the patent may have been issued after his death OR it was perhaps re-issued to a son of the same name.  My theory is that it was devised to a John Brown Junior.  And this is the John Brown that died sometime before 1727 and was the father of the Brown children who gifted the property to their sister Elizabeth who married John Joyner of Isle of Wight.

Now I haven’t exactly pulled this John Brown Junior out of thin air… I do have some proof. The references below are in Isle of Wight where John Browne and son previously lived:

3 Jun 1690…. John Browne, the Elder, to Richard Shewll…. 100 acres (being part of 600 acres) on Broadneck Swamp adjoining Wolf Pit Branch.

Wit: Edward (X) Floid, Henry Baker and Thomas (X) Wickins.

2 Dec 1692….   John Browne, Sr. appoints John Browne as his attorney in the difference with Capt. Hugh Campbell.

Wit: Daniel Leigh and Mary (X) Browne

Consider this deed of Susanna Brown & Sylvester Brown again from 1729… mention of Lazaris Thomas… note where he and they seem to be living:

C 171  Susanna Brown & Sylvester Brown to William Evans  Nov 22, 1729.  5 pds  for 100 A.  On Horse swamp.  Adj. John Thomas, Lazarus Thomas.  Wit: Richard Williford, Mary Luden (Laden?).  Feb Court 1729.  Thomas Crew D. C/C.


The property above is not on my map yet… I speculate it is John Browne Jr.

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JAMES PEEK to JOHN WARREN, Aug 9 1727, 10 pds for 100 a. SS Chowan River, adj. LAURANCE MARTIN,LAZARUS THOMAS at Horse Swampe. Wit: John Beverley, John Sutton. November Court 1729, (Bertie Co Deed Book C p181)

JOHN EARLY to DAVID RYAN, heir of THOMAS RYAN, deceased. 1754, 350 a.. for discharge of a bond from John Early to Thomas Ryan land between JAMES WILKON’s line and the Holley Swamp at Horse Swamp” adj. ISAAC LEWIS, JAMES WILLIAMSON, LAZARUS THOMAS, WILLIAM WARREN to the Wiccacon Swamp. Wit: John Cricket, Thomas Kinsey, John Nichols Jr. Aug Court 1754 (Bertie Co Deed Book H p111)

Note that John Warren was in the 1727 deed with Susanna Brown and Sylvester Brown gifting the property to Elizabeth Joyner…

Charles Merrit was an old croney Indian Trader with John Brown and Richard Booth. After Booth moved to North Carolina Charles Merritt located near by… (see Deep Creek on the map above). The merchant, James Peake sold a chunk of land to John Warren (also at Deep Creek).

BK B PG. 112

1715 – Elinor Merrett/Meriet to William Nixon/Mixon (melton) 16 Apr 1715 p of atty to act in open Court 130 A for ye said William Merret unto James Peeke. Witnesses: Peter Evens, Rich Barfield.

Ellinor Merritt to Wm. Mixon. Power of Attorney to acknowledge deed to Rich’d Barefield for land sold by my husband Charles Merritt and Peter Evans to said Barefield, 280 acres on Deep Creek branch, Test. Wm. Mixon, Peter Evans.

Same to acknowledge deed to James Peake, of Boston, Executed by my husband Charles Merritt for 130 acres on south side of Chowan River, at ye mouth of Deep Branch; Apl. 16, 1715. Test, Peter Evans, Richard Barefield (NCHGR 138).

…from will of James Peake 1728…

“Item my will is that my executors hereafter mentioned do grant & give to

John Warren of the precinct a good and lawfull deed for one hundred acres of 

land that he now lives on he paying at his ens__ling the said deed Tenn

pounds currant mony of North Carolina not withstanding not withstanding

(sic) any thing that is before mentioned to the contrary.”

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Now for the icing on the cake…

http://docsouth.unc.edu/csr/index.html/document/csr02-0132#p2-264

Minutes of the General Court of North Carolina
North Carolina. General Court
August 02, 1716

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Wee the body of the Grand Jury for Albemarle County in the Province of North Carolina do present Charity Brown for that she hath a Bastard Child at the House of Mr Thoss Rogers in this Precinct of Chowan

(I have no idea who “Charity” belonged to)

Also in Currytuck Precinct one Edwd Boune leaving a wife in Virginia and keeps a whore in this Governmt by which it very plain appears that She hath severall Bastards by him the sd Boune.

Also one Susanah Brown living at Petty Shore hath two Bastards

(BINGO!  this little lady may be the straw to break the brick wall)

Information of Capt Jno Worley also who keeps in his house the wife of Jno Hawkins she having severall children Contrary to Law.

JOSph SANDERSON
Adjourned to the Court in Course

C. GALE Ch: Just:

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I found another specific reference to her in Hofmann’s Chowan Precinct…1696-1723, pg 218.  This record is the minutes of Chowan Court July 1715.  This is 2 years after I “suppose” John Brown Sr died. (But per the later records she would fit as a granddaughter and not a daughter)

“Whereas Susannah Brown (?), by her Oath on ye Holy Evangelist, Declared that John M—— is father to a bastard Child born to her, it is Ordered that the Marshall have the bodys of the sd. M—— and the sd. Susannah Brown at the next Court”.

(3 “M” neighbors nearby were Mann, Mayner (Maner Manear) and Merritt… the abstractor left 6 “dashes” because she did not feel confident of the letters to make a judgement… when I do abstracts I try to make the “dashes” relate to the letters I cannot read……. just sayin’)

Which begs the question… is this the same Susannah Brown 12 years later… and still not married?  (deed referred to above)

Bell, C 167(160) Susanah Brown, John Warren & wife Grace, Sylvester Brown and ____ to Elizabeth Joyner

Feb. 12, 1727/28. *. 256 A. “…love… for our sister Elizabeth Joyner…” Land formerly belonging to our father, John Brown dec’d. Patent July 28, 1713. On WS Chowan adj. J. Curlee, J. Smith. Wit: Fincher Hayne,Charles Brown. Court *. Thomas Crew D. C/C.

(I have no idea who this “Charles Brown” is… )

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Case closed.

See here for some of the “historic” background of some of these Indian Traders… (and some of my stumbling and fumbling)…

https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/roanoke-r-to-chowan-1863-civil-war-map/

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August 19, 2016 at 6:56 pm

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Welllllll… a clue on William Anderson d.1789

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carolus_will

Could be a breakthrough connecting him to Carolus Anderson.  Carolus lived on the line between Virginia and North Carolina on the Meherrin River.  Near neighbors were the Boons and Pitmans… along with this fella … Abraham Stevenson.

Oct. 17, 1739 Nicholas Boon to Arthur Stevenson, 125 A S/S Meherrin Riv adj. Carolus Anderson, Elias Fort, Joseph Strickland, Wm. Eldridge, Robert Cobb, Arthur Stevenson, pat. Dec 3, 1720

Nov. 4, 1739-Nicholas Boon to Robert Cobb, 20 pds., 165 A S/S Meherring Riv- purch. of Wm Bennett 5/14/1723. Wits: CHARLES Anderson, Joseph Cobb, Jr., Abraham Stevenson, Nov. Crt, 1739 [ this “Charles” is Carolus].

The 1733 will of Elizabeth Anderson, mother of Carolus Anderson mentions her daughter’s son William Anderson.  Of course her “daughter” is named as Elizabeth PITMAN in the will which has confounded everyone for years.

Now this tidbit which has me all in a tizzy to get a copy of the deed AND the survey.

Land grant to William Boon dated June 22, 1749, of 100 acres on the northeast side of the Meherrin River between the river and the county line; William Anderson and Abraham Stephens chain carriers. Secretary of State Land Grants 78-B.

This could bring down a HUGE brick wall… it is all I can do to contain myself…  William Anderson would be a young man if this is the same person. He would get his own survey in Edgecombe county about 1752.


Remember this area is a burned county… some nitwit lunatic burned down the house with the county records in an attempt to get rid of the records and save his sorry ass from his mortgage.

oops…wrong county for the firebug…

https://archive.org/stream/colonialandstat01winbgoog#page/n16/mode/2up

ANY tidbit such as this mention is a treasure.  Since this small quote mentions the chain carriers… I assume (hope) that the survey is still extant.  Here is the deed… the reference notes there “are no documents in the shuck” which is a bummer because that means no survey.  But SOMEWHERE is a note of the chain carriers.

boon_1749 deed

The land in question is on the VA / NC boundary and Meherrin River.  This was just below Carolus Anderson’s original 1726 Virginia grant.  Note that by 1745 Carolus had moved south to Meherrin Woods and Pattys Delight Swamp area.  Note that Arthur Stevenson’s property adjoined his own. Note also that the Stevenson property was originally owned by Abraham Stevenson (per the survey boundary description).    …Also this is the most comprehensive Boon map I have done so far…

Click several times to enlarge…

Carolus Map

So… Traci sent me these scans…   The one image we can read is not conclusive AT ALL!  We can debate all day whether the signature is Ambroson or not.  But my first reaction (and I admit I have a dog in this fight) is that it is closer to Anderson than Andrews (the most common misspelling).  Amerson does not seem likely because it is clearly a “d” or a “b”.

 

Wm Boon 1749-1So… no mention of the chain carriers that I can find in the 2nd document…  and the 3rd document is clearly “Ambroson”.    What the hell ???  Alright all you Jeffreys researchers fess up!  Was Osborn Jeffrys (the surveyor) a drunk?  Was he hard of hearing?  If you think I am engaging in a bit of “character assassination” of Osborne Jeffreys then you would be correct… I ran across him several years ago and made a few observations… to wit:

http://docsouth.unc.edu/csr/index.html/document/csr04-0041#p4-66
Minutes of the North Carolina Governor’s Council
North Carolina. Council
October 03, 1735 – October 18, 1735
Volume 04, Pages 64-67
At a Council held at Bath Town Fryday the third day of October 1735.
Present His Excellency the Governor…
[also present was Patrick Maule]

….Read the Petition of the Inhabitants of Tar River setting forth that they are 20 families in number 

That Simon Jeffries Deced obtained in his own and in his Son Osborns name three Patents for 1000 Acres of Land on said River the Warrants for which have been so run out as to take in 15 miles on the said River
[get that?… Jeffreys patent involved 15 MILES “on the said River”]
That the Orphan of one Boyd hath a purchase Patent for 7000 Acres of Land beginning on Town Creek which will take in most of their Settlements
[The area of Town Creek is still referenced in modern Edgecombe County… it is east of Rocky Mount] 
That one of the Pollocks has purchased patents for 5 Surveys and Town Creek and several others lay claim thereto thō they never made any settlements.
 [the Pollock referred to above was a son of the war governor of 1712- Thomas Pollock – the original Battle property around Town Creek was derived from this early land deal of either Cullen Pollock or his brother George.  Another huge tract of about 2,500 acres was taken out around the Roanoke River roughly east of Scotland Neck] 
That your Petitioners have been at great charge in cultivating and improving the aforesaid Lands and have the late Governor Burringtons Warrants for the Lands whereon they have settled
[hence, some of these folks knew they were in danger of getting screwed because the deals of the 1720s were never recorded]
Therefore must humbly pray that the aforesaid Jeffrys’ Land and the Lands held by Purchase Patents be resurveyed
 [Jeffries lost his ass here but still made up for it elsewhere]
Whereupon His Excellency the Governour by and with the advice of his Majestys Council was pleased to order that Mr Attorney General doth forthwith Enter a Prosecution against the several patentees mentioned in the aforesaid Petition in his Majesty’s Court of Exchequer.
[around 1732 Edgecombe Precinct began evolving and the government, such as it was, was left to deal with this land problem… land scam in my opinion] 
Then the Board adjourned till tomorrow 9 of the Clock in the forenoon.
 ….
So… since Mr. Jeffreys was demonstrably corrupt or at the least incompetent, he did get caught as you can see; then I can perhaps conclude he was also not that bright.  Ergo, he could have easily misspelled a name.   Case closed in my opinion.
 

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On 6 december 1725 Abraham and Ann, his wife, sold to Thomas Stephenson 100 acres on Seacock Swamp in Isle of Wight Co, VA(21). On 23 November 1730 Abraham appraised the estate of Edward Brown. Nine years later he relocated south of the Virginia state border into Bertie Co., NC, where he bought 150 acres on the south side of “Maherring” River adjoining the lands of William Boon, John Bryant, and a Mr. Bennet from Elias Fort on 23 October 1739.

Abraham Stevenson did have an association with a William Andrews:

Northampton County.

Thomas Nickson

December 1, 1752. February Court, 1753. Brothers: JOSEPH and HENRY NICKSON. Sister: SARAH JINER. Executors: Abraham Stevenson, JUNR., and WILLIAM ANDREWS. Witnesses: WILLIAM TURNER, MARTHA MORE. Clerk of the Court: I. EDWARDS.

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Bottom line….  I can’t declare this a “proof”… darn it!  But my “radar” is on.  The first wife of William was Martha ____ .  Their first daughter was named Absala, possibly for the mother of Martha… so he may have met and wed her in Northampton County?

A detailed Stevenson genealogy with numerous references to Carolus Anderson…

http://www.jenk.com/bookFormat_John_Stephenson.pdf

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August 11, 2016 at 11:02 am

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Vote for Traci the Librarian!

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Traci Thompson just happens to be my most prolific commenter… she is all over the place on this blog.  She is an Olde School librarian… meaning she will get her hands dirty while digging up all these genealogical bones.  She will also not hesitate to call you out if she disagrees.  I respect that.

Around the year 2000 or so… me being a rookie… I asked her about the old Micajah Anderson book of Edgecombe County.  She patiently copied the darn thing, page by page, and mailed it to me… charged a measly amount per page and apologized for the outlandish postage.

A year ago or so she became one of those high-falutin “certified” genealogists.

Do it… vote!  She deserves it.

http://www.ilovelibraries.org/nominate-public-librarian

She hangs out here:

http://braswell-library.libguides.com/home

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August 4, 2016 at 10:06 am

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Olde Chowan “Precinct”… a new map

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This is my preliminary effort..  more deeds will follow as time permits (I am still a working slob and still have a day job).

In order to begin, I decided on starting at Woodward’s Creek.  A while back I discovered a map from 1708 by Edward Moseley… it is referenced.  Most of my “Google-ing” left me perplexed as very few records exist that refer to Woodward’s Creek.  I think I have presented irrefutable proof of its whereabouts .  With that task accomplished, I began placing a few patents and promptly realized that that horrid woman Hillary Clinton was actually correct in one regard… “it takes a village”.  So as I trudge thru this project I usually have to plot a half dozen or more patents to enable me to place them.  Such is the nature of this mapping game.  I have endeavored to show a few examples of the deeds I pursue to arrive at the simple graphic representations that I lay out.

I have wanted to do this map for years but was unable to do so for the simple lack of access to the deeds.  I therefore give a huge hat tip to this gentleman:

“This website is a personal project of David McCorkle who has many deep North Carolina roots dating back to Colonial times, especially in the areas of Mecklenburg and Anson counties that are now Union County. He has been writing computer software for 40 years, and is a specialist in databases, data cleanup and presentation, as well as web applications and hosting.”

http://www.nclandgrants.com/about.htm

Many thanks Mr. McCorkle… a job well done.

Marc  aka anderson1951

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Click several times to enlarge the map.  The “tan” colored areas are the oldest maps I can find for this area of North Carolina (they are from about 1909 or so… and as an aside… as we look at these 100+ year old maps keep in mind that the olde pharts in 1712 or so were looking at the 1660ish documents similarly as we look at old “documents”). I get a kick when looking at old Virginia records from the 1700s and they refer to earlier 1600s patents as “Ancient Planters”.  If you want to further enlarge the map after the click zooms just use the trick of Cntr +

 

CW_NC_for web

See here…  its over on the right side of my main Page under… well…. Pages… 4 or 5 down the list.

https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/old-chowan-precinct-map/

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July 30, 2016 at 12:47 pm

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Don’t I feel stupid…

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I have been attempting to track the early BOONs of North Carolina.  My interest is that Carolus Anderson “may” have wed a Boon daughter.  I ran across a patent for one Thomas Boon referencing a date of 1668… and Dayum! I fell for it hook line and sinker.  There was simply no way in hell that Thomas Boon had a patent in NC in 1668.  I will attempt to prove that he was actually granted that patent in 1723.  (A later post… bear with me).

I’ve unabashedly Debunked Myself… thankfully.  (Red-faced)

Details here… scroll down about 2/3 of the way if you are impatient…

https://andersonnc.wordpress.com/mathew-strickland-thomas-boon-iow/

 

Great Deed 16681

Note that the government in NC “recorded” this copy of The Great Deed in 1719… which was their declaration that it was still in effect.   And in full ostentation recopied the signatures of all the big whig Proprieters who signed it in 1668!  Why you ask?  To save money in Quit Rents (taxes) I reply.  If you could claim a deed under the 1688 “Great Deed” then you owed 2 shillings per 100 acres… if not then your (tax) was 4 shillings  or thereabouts.   Most of them may have been illiterate… but foolish they were not.  (Smiling).

The source for above is a (new to me) website… great place to stop by.

http://www.nclandgrants.com/index/

 

Of course if you don’t mind paying $29.99 I suppose you can find all the answers here…  or maybe not…

https://www.amazon.com/Boone-Family-Immigrants-Virginia-1650-ebook/dp/B00VQLHVNG

The author above does freely offer some profound advice that I will keep in mind…    from his introduction:

blurb

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My apologies for belaboring this point… but frankly, I’ve had a couple beers after doing a brake job on my ’07 Hemi Charger and I’m feeling a little frisky.  C’mon, I graduated high school in 1969.. hence the old “hot rodder” fascination with cars. But I digress…

If I was an author wishing to make a few bucks from a book I would be very careful about “previews” of the book.

https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=g3RNCAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&hl=en&pg=GBS.PT20.w.5.0.40

I have found over the years that a genealogy can be like a house of cards. Or to use another analogy… like a keystone to a stone arch… if the keystone fails the structure falls.

My opinion of the Boon clan from NC (old Albemarle/ Chowan Precinct specifically) is that the progenitor “may” have been Nich. Boon from Isle of Wight or “a” Thomas Boon from unknown.  I have been hunting this person for years. I would LOVE to know the answer to that question.  So I have a few questions for this author…

I truly hope I am not infringing on any copyrights here… but what the hell, this is an editorial question in my skeptical review of sorts… click to enlarge…

boon book

Sir, can you offer any sort of documentation with a citation  to evidence that the specific Thomas Boon that died in Isle of Wight in 1723 was Dutch?  Or if not Dutch can you provide any evidence that he traveled from England to wherever you propose those mystery Dutch records come from?

Can you offer any sort of documentation with a citation  to evidence that the specific Thomas Boon that died in Isle of Wight in 1723 was certified as anything in any way by Henry Barker of Charles City County?

Henry Barker appears to be a pretty murky character to me…

https://archive.org/stream/charlescitycount00ayrerich#page/n5/mode/2up

From Jim White, author of Buckner Family Generations, <http://buckner.whitesnet.org/&gt;
Bradford-Taylor-Barker-Lucy Report, 11 July 2007

p. 58 – #41 – Henry Barker (William (Capt.) 2, William 1)
was born in 1617 in London, , Greater London, England,
died in 1669 in London, , Greater London, England at age 52,
and was buried in St. Margaret ParishChurch, Westminister, , Greater London, England.

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lavere&id=I8718

While “a”  Henry Barker, aged 18,  is listed as a passenger in 1735… where is any proof that he was related to the Capt. William Barker?

And a basic question… Can you provide any sort of “smoking gun” proof that the headright Thomas Boon you cite is the same one who died in 1723?

And…. last question I promise… where in the world did any researcher arrive at the death date for Thomas Boon (of the Meherrin River land grant) as 1723?

Thomas Boon, Immigrant, Died 1723, Isle of Wight Co., Virginia and 1,000 of his Descendants, p.7, Rupert Farnham Thompson, Studio City, CA., 1981.

 


After a little digging into the author… Jim White… I find this… a commenter is questioning his lack of sources (which caused my initial red flag about his book)…

“…As for Jim White’s work, it appears to “connect the dots,” as you indicate, among all the Bryan descendants of the eleven sons of William [Smith?] Bryan, but does not well document these connections at all, and for the most part seems not to provide many personal details regarding the family members.To the known children of John and Elizabeth Frances Battle Bryan (Hannah Wilson, Mary Hampton, Sarah White, and John Bryan, Jr.) White adds a few other names, such as Lewis Bryan. There is room for other children, and various sources have cited other children, but no one, to my knowledge, has convincingly documented these other children. White has John Neely Bryan, reputed founder of Dallas, as a first cousin of my ancestor John Bryan, Jr. (b. 7 March 1780, Rowan County, d. 1854, Coffee County, TN). White has the information on the death of John Bryan, believed to be the son of Morgan Bryan, Jr., entirely wrong. He has followed the tradition that appears in so many books that “Captain” John Bryan shot at his doorstep by Col. David Fanning was the husband of Elizabeth Battle. That is incorrect. That John Bryan lived in Randolph County, not Rowan, and was killed in 1782, after the court proceedings regarding the estate of Elizabeth Battle’s husband had already been settled, in August, 1781. John Bryan, husband of Elizabeth Battle, was killed by a radical group of Whigs led by John Bryan’s neighbor John Johnston, along with Francis Locke, and others. We do not know the exact circumstances of John Bryan’s death, but in many ways it probably resembled the violent scene that occurred with Fanning.White has made some other very significant errors in his exposition on the Morgan Bryan family. He has, for example, John Gano married to Sarah Bryan, the sister of my John Bryan, Jr. John Gano was married to Sarah Hunt Bryan, the widow of Thomas Bryan, the youngest son of Morgan and Martha Strode Bryan. In fairness, I have not studied thoroughly the writing of White on the Bryans, and he may well have some golden nuggets of information on the antecedents and siblings of Morgan Bryan, but he refuses to acknowledge where he gets much of his information, telling folks to find it for themselves. Perfect case in point: the statement that Morgan married Martha Strode in Perth Amboy in 1714. He has provided no solid documentation to substantiate this claim, and it does not seem to be forthcoming.”

http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/bryan/8349/

 

 

 

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July 30, 2016 at 7:37 am

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My buddy Floyd Anderson asks…

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Do you know the father of William Anderson d. 1789? -And- Do you know the relationship of Carolus Anderson d.1752?

No. I do not.

My theory is that they may be related… and it is a pretty flimsy theory when I am called to give “just the facts ma’am” .

jack webb

William Anderson named a son Carlos.

“A” young William Anderson is mentioned in the will of Carolus’ mother.  The utter weirdness of a man naming a son that in colonial times is a red flag for me (and others). ALL of his other children had “conventional” names… i.e. William, George, James, Henry etc. Whyfor “Carlos”?  He was even mentioned in a deed with the “Americanized” Charles. So it is not just me that has a problem with that “latinized” spelling. The pompous and sissified William Byrd was even offended by Carolus’ name. The twit.

Such is my theory… and I’m sticking with it.


William and Carolus “just show up”… out of thin air. Most of my blog is my attempt to search out the neighbors of these folks. (such as the Boons, Forts, and of course the Pittmans, etc.) Looking for clues.

This is one of the best sites for Carolus Anderson…

http://www.sadiesparks.com/canderson.htm

But then, I have a few disagreements… (I think Ms. Sparks has passed on so I will just leave her excellent research to speak for her. With respect.)


Another conundrum hanging in the wind…

William Anderson was granted land in 1752 (Edgecombe).  Two mysterious chain carriers were also present and I have never found a clue as to who they were.  Remember this is 1752 so they were at least teenagers… if not grown men. If they were brothers then that would probably kill the theory that William was a nephew of Carolus. But what if they were cousins? Are they possibly the sons of an uncle James (brother of Carolus?)

Sworn Chain Carriers

Arthur Anderson

James Anderson

Written by anderson1951

July 5, 2016 at 4:25 pm

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A Jolly question

with 7 comments

A comment left lately…

I am looking for more information on John and William Jolly of Isle of Wight. John died 1687 and William was his son. William had a grant in 1705 but wondering if he went to NC. Can’t find William’s family anywhere.

So… I’ll take a stab at this…

The John Jolly d.1687 may well have been a servant imported earlier… I found a deed with that name listed and at this time it is quite likely that the headrights were legit.  As William Jolly requested Administration on the “intestate” the odds are he was related and “likely” his son. (Obviously it would be helpful to see the 1687 documents and not an abstract).

Pertaining to the 1705 grant…

The original grant was to Hugh Campbell (1699) who let the patent lapse and hence it fell into the hands of William Jolly.  This land was a mile or two southwest of the town of Smithfield in IOW. Before Campbell dabbled in the land it was granted to Robert Coleman in 1667. See my map here:

All of the below references to “Newport Parish” below are firmly in Isle of Wight… and distinctly support where the JOLLY property “roughly” was. (My opinion is that Newport Parish extended from the Surry County border to the IOW/Nansemond line and even further west to the Mehering River in present day Southampton County… all of which gets “iffy” at that point)

Just from a few deeds I’ve found on the web, William Jolly had acquired well over a thousand acres…but to cut to the chase… if his father died in 1687 it is my hunch that the son would die in a 20-30 year period after that. 1687 +25 =1712.  He may well have died intestate and left no will.  And if he was invested with considerable land in IOW… why would he move?

IOW Deed Book 7, Hopkins

(pg 17) 21 Feb 1744…. Edward Ballard and wife, Ann Ballard, of Newport Parish to John Wills, Gent., of the same… 150 acres in Newport Parish (being part of a patent formerly granted to Hugh Campbell who assigned it to William Jolly and “by several descents came to John Jolly” who sold the land to said Edward Ballard… (snip)

As Ross Perot would say… “I see a pattern here”.

I did a quick check on Familysearch.org (Virginia Records) and found basically NOTHING for a William Jolly after his 1705 grant… hence I suspect he died in the 17teens perhaps (or earlier).  However, in 1710 or so a James Jolly was present in Newport Parish:

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I got lazy and made these images a little small… just use Cntr + to enlarge them…sorry.

Note in the Ballard 1744 deed above  “by several descents came to John Jolly”. So my guess is that James Jolly was the son of William Jolly. (Or a descendant one way or another).

Forward to about 1739 and we have a Newport Parish “processioning” record noting a John Jolly… my hunch is that by referring to the other people referenced in this record you may be able to tag this property to the general area of IOW where William Jolly was settled.

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And to nail this down with a little proof and some handy-dandy DATES…

IOW Deed Bk 12, Hopkins

(p. 515) 27 Apr 1772…. John Jolly and wife, Elizabeth Jolly, to Andrew Mackie…-?- acres in Newport Parish (being land that descended by the will of James Jolly, decd., dated 28 Feb 1726 to James Jolly and then to the said John Jolly) adjoining Robert Driver…(snip)…

So James Jolly d.1726… and in 1772 John Jolly was still living… (he and his wife signed the deed)…

This is what I see…

The Immigrant died 1687…William d.17teens unknown… son James d.1726…son James d. unknown… son John d. after 1772.

And the story continues here (Chancery Records Index, Library of Virginia):

http://www.lva.virginia.gov/chancery/default.asp#res

Search under “Isle of Wight” and simply use the search term “jolly”…
Index Number: 1806-002view details »
Locality: ISLE OF WIGHT CO
Plaintiff(s) Defendant(s)
DIXON PINNER & WIFE ETC
JOSIAH GRAY & WIFE

Index Number: 1810-001view details »
Locality: ISLE OF WIGHT CO
Plaintiff(s) Defendant(s)
INFANT(S) OF HENRY JAMAICA BY ETC
JOHN JOLLY & WIFE

Index Number: 1816-002view details »
Locality: ISLE OF WIGHT CO
Plaintiff(s) Defendant(s)
JOHN JOLLY
EMILY EVERETT
SALLEY WILLS EVERETT

Good luck with your research…

Marc

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So it seems the Jollys of Isle of Wight above just do the “family thing” for numerous generations… which does not discount the idea that one may have

cut out for North Carolina. But lets let that dog lie without kicking it.

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My commenter offers this theory about a Peter Jolly who has a presence in NC:

 

“Let me start with this, Gooch’s American Regiment was made up of men from NC, MD, NY, PA, and VA. They were raised to fight in he War of Jenkin’s Ear. Robert Jenkins, master of the Rebecca, had his ship seized by pirates in the Caribbean in 1731. Jenkins accusd his captors of cutting off one of his ears. Seven years later the story of Jenkins’ ear tipped the scales and Great Britain declared war on Spain. The regiment existed Between 29 Dec 1739 and 25 Dec 1742. Most of the recruiting was done in 1740.

The NY troops left for the Caribbean on 3 Oct 1740 and were joined at Sandy Hook by troops from East Jersey and New England. On 12 Oct the armada sailed for the VA Capes to rendezous with the troops from PA, MD<, and VA ut they had already sailed and made Port Royal, Jamaica ahead of the main convoy. The NC troops were delayed and did not arrive until March 1741.

I have the record from the Muster Book of His Majesty’s Ship Boyne for March 1740 to April 1741 which shows a Peter Jolley alive and well who was discharged Apr 1741 in camp most likely in the Caribbean and I also have the muster log from the same ship for May and June 1741 that shows Peter Jolly deceased 11 May 1741 at sea. This Peter Jolly/ey was born abt 1709. He had 3 sons I know of John, James, and Peter. Peter my 4 x great grandfather was born 1740 and died 1803 in Pitt Co., NC (his son Jesse born 1790 was my 3x great grandfather), . James stayed in Edgecombe Co. most likely on the land his mother was on until her death (no record on her death). The land James stayed on ended up in the newly formed Nash Co., and he died in Nash Co. in 1796. James was born abt 1735.

I have “a true inventory of all goods and credits of Peter Joyle (Jolly) decd” signed by his widow Rachell Jolly with her mark in 1742 from Edgecombe Co. Court.. Is it definitive, maybe-maybe not, but the time line ties in pretty good. I have found no records around that time for Peter Jolly in any of the other colonies except for a Peter Jolly in Norfolk Co. born abt 1706 who died in 1730 and his son Peter who, according to the book written by William Joliffe in 1893, went to NC about 1738 and then further south. The Jolleys in Norfolk Co. also went by the name Jolliffe from the time they settled there about 1653. There are probates that ue the name Jolley but the majoirty of it is Jolliffe.

Seeing as how I couldn’t find any other Peter Jollys besides the one in Edgecombe Co. then it seems true that the Peter Jolly who died aboard that ship is the Peter Jolly who received the land grants in Edgecombe Co. in 1741 from King George.

any way, that is about it. No problem. I believe in proof too. That is why I have not definitively said Peter 1709 came from Isle of Wight Co. because I do not have a positive indication.

Jerry”

I like a good theory… I do a lot of “speculating” myself.  Lo’ and behold a James Jolly fell over dead in NC in 1670…

Alt a Generall Court, held ye 27 September, 1670, at ye house of

Sam’l Davis, for ye county of Albemarle, in ye Province of Caro-

lina. Present, the Honorable Peter Carteret, Esq., Governor and

Commander-in-Chief. Left, C>1. John Jenkins, Mr. John Harudy,

Mr. Oliver Rithd. Foster, Mr. Francis Godfrey, Mr. John Willoughby,

Capt. Thomas Cullen.

Jno. Harudy, acco. to Mr. Howard, Mr. Nixon, petition to have or-

der of administration, on ye estate of James Jolly. Ordered yt ad-

ministration be granted by putting in security.

https://archive.org/details/northcarolinahi00hathgoog

And Jolly researchers will enjoy this… it seems he hailed from Maryland and may have been in NC as an Indian Trader.  And to make another point- it tears me away from the idea that these early settlers were hell bent to stay in one area. On the contrary, some were prone to move about. And lets not forget that there was considerable trade going on at the time from not only Maryland but other Colonies to the north.

I simply don’t have the time to do justice to researching the Maryland records… but here is an interesting synopsis:

http://colonialencounters.org/Databases/HistoricalDataResults.aspx?SITEABBREV=&OCCUPANTID=90

It seems that he had a son William??? Who knows if this line ended or carried on?


The Cashie River area was a hot spot for early trade… and traders.  Here is another James Jolly in 1748…

Bertie COUNTY NC Deeds – Cashie Swamp (north – north east side)

Aug 16, 1748 THOMAS RYAN to WILLIAM WILSON 160 AC on NORTH SIDE of

CASHIE AT POPULAR BRANCH Wit: John Nicholas, Thomas Holder, James Jolly.

DBK F, p.195

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Backing up a bit to 1738… here is a Peter Jolly…

Bertie County, NC…court minutes…1724-1739…Haun

At a Ct. held…Febry 1738..

224-115
…”Peter JOLLY to John JONES ackd. 40/.”

225
“Wm. PIERCE Const. in ye Room of Jos. JOLLEY”

And this is the time span that has Jerry so worked up with his theory. Peter Jolly was undoubtedly in Bertie County at that time (and it is quite possible the area was Cashie River???).  In 1741 a Peter Jolly received a patent in Edgecombe County for 250 acres.

http://docsouth.unc.edu/csr/index.html/document/csr04-0171

But then, we cannot find any records of him settling the property.  Did he die on the ship?  Are there any militia muster rolls for Bertie around 1738-1740? There are for Edgecombe in the 1750s.

 

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June 22, 2016 at 5:27 pm

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